If you hear thunder tomorrow, dont worry it's just this on my dyno

[Baldturbofreak]

http://baldturbofreak.com/projectcars/TT_Camaro/DSC04901.JPG


http://http://www.baldturbofreak.com/catalog/projectcars.php
Right click and save as the vids, they are big
I only have injector for 1200 hp so the boost from the twin 4202R's will be kept under 15psi.
This is the baddest car to come out of my shop yet..

[scotts94_z28]

sickkkkk i just so happen to also have a bright rally red 98 camaro only without the twin turbos

[Baldturbofreak]

well scott I can fix that for you....:P

[cbass]

It's a civic, right? We all know real race cars are civics.

Wait, I had that reversed.

[Baldturbofreak]

no, but I have Dart based civic going together that should make about half what this TT402 does. Should break equal drivline parts though.

[studderin™]

flap flap flap

[Baldturbofreak]

flap flap flap
Is that you trying to P me O SJ?:P
You get that LT1 taken care of?

[studderin™]

Piss you Off? not at all. I cant think of anythign else "P me O" means, but Im flap flap flapping at the car.:leghumper:

whats the 3rd IC for? Your not running the engine coolent thu a bar/plate are you. I can't wait to finally see this car in person.
Lt1 is getting finished up, Kmember showed up today. The pass side header (hooker Supercomp) isnt the best for plug acess. And deff wasn't made for the compression tester tube to have easy acess on. So its slow, but getting done. But the 918s fit and look good on some specs I checked what they install on a LT1 head. Should be a improvement on the dynosuar motor8)

[studderin™]

whats your thoughs about blowing that amount of air thu the lsx style intake.


And going to a tradinal singal plane, with a elbow? I belive theres one that dosn't need cowl cutting, just weather stripping notch.

[Baldturbofreak]

whats your thoughs about blowing that amount of air thu the lsx style intake.


And going to a tradinal singal plane, with a elbow? I belive theres one that dosn't need cowl cutting, just weather stripping notch.

Definitly going to the Gm PP intake and fab an Elbow. Also considrering the 4 barrel TB. they are 1350 cfm and progressive linkage.

[reliant_turbo]

pretty cool! yeah whats up with that third cooler.

Brian

[DriverDan]

Your link is messed up, it should be http://www.baldturbofreak.com/catalog/projectcars.php

Damn that car is bad ass. We need more cars like that on roclife :)

[sleeprb20]

hey rick, looking good man! it's too bad its only around 1200hp, that's pretty weak dude, lol.

might bring the 240 up to the shop this spring, i need a couple things done...

[Mafdark]

what shop is this? how much for a tune?

[Baldturbofreak]

hey rick, looking good man! it's too bad its only around 1200hp, that's pretty weak dude, lol.

might bring the 240 up to the shop this spring, i need a couple things done...

Thanks man, well 1200hp (ish) is actually where I run out of injector depending on the motor's BSFC.

Sure call me up when your ready.

To the other Chap,
My shop is called BTF racing,
Our dyno rates are $275 for a tune (plus parts if applicable)
$75 for 3 pulls $25 for each additional 2.
I have software for
all obd1 Gm's,(or nearly)
OB2 Gm's Hptuners & tunercat obd2
OBD1 hondas
emanage Ultimate
Gen 6+7 DFI (gen 7 you must brign your "key")
Megasquirt (I run my own car on these- I love em)
electromotive tec 2 and 3
I have ROm emulators, Chip burners and an background in electronics / engineering.

[Kansei]

You do megasquirt? sweeeet. That's what I'll be moving my car over to eventually :) megasquirt + EDIS.

that car is.. flippin sweet though, wow.

[dmoffitt]

whoa. um.... WOW

[Baldturbofreak]

You do megasquirt? sweeeet. That's what I'll be moving my car over to eventually :) megasquirt + EDIS.

that car is.. flippin sweet though, wow.
Thanks:D
Edis? no way man!
just need a V3 board, a few extra drivers (VB921's) and 4 c.o.p's of your choice. Or 1 extra driver for wasted spark-I like to use neon coils from 98 on. They are cheap at the junkyard (like action) and you can often get them with the connector if you can go into the yard yourself (this place on empire).
then it's just a crank trigger wheel off ebay and a $20 crank sensor from a 2000 v6 stang.
Now you get to unlock fun features like ignition based rev limiting instead of fuel cut, and my personal fav, using the clutch switch from my cruise for a boost building 2 step/flatshift.
If your motor already has somem sort of crank trigger in it, the sensor and parts wont be nessicary. Just need to figure out the trigger offset, # of teeth, and your most of the way there.
Honestly once you go squirt- you wont go back
I have about $700 in my whole system from coils to wideband. You can't believe the speed a tune can be done in, and the options you have for the future since it's open source.
PM me anytime for DIY megahelp. I love them mega's- true hotrodder spirit.:mrgreen:

[reliant_turbo]

I too am a big fan of megasquirt. the power for the price just cant be beat. Plus I love DIY stuff. like the tech edge wideband DIY kits. id be running a megasquirt on my k car if it werent for the fact that the mopar factory turbo ecm's have been figured out and some cool features added.

Brian

[sleeprb20]

if i ever have enough money for that gt35 (unlikely lol), u gotta help me hook up a megasquirt for the RB20. IIRC, i have only heard of one running rb engine that uses it (rb25 240z)

[Baldturbofreak]

Honestly it's wicked simple once you've done your homework. The Easest by far is crank trigger + wasted spark. Then it's leaps and bounds.
staged injection is the biggest payoff for the folks with big horkin turbos and little motors.:D

[Tevenor]

Siracusa was telling me about it. Showed me the pics today at work. Pretty sweet. Good luck with it.

[shockwave179]

Hey its my car except with 880ish more horsepower haha

That's pretty badass I'm not gonna lie.

[ryanmcell]

Holy shit, thats nuts

[sleeprb20]

dyno sheet yet? :)

[Baldturbofreak]

naw, not WOT yet. worked out the base map, cold start, afterstart decay, igniton map (both high and low Oct) for up to atmo. I love histograms they make tuning such a peach.8)
Tomorrow I will dip into some real throttle.
BTW Siracusa turned one of the vids into a ringtone! download it - you'll never answer the phone.

[Protonus]

I <3 this thread.
What does this block have for internals?

[Eric]

where is this shop located?

[Stealth1347]

whats the 3rd IC for? Your not running the engine coolent thu a bar/plate are you.


yeah whats up with that third cooler.

+1

Pretty badass looking setup!

[Baldturbofreak]

Sorry, Ive been super busy again.
Lets see.
3rd Ic is not an Ic but indeed a bar plate core radiator. It's 4" thick and is very effective. I wish my on ride stayed cool this long. I credit the Npg coolant a bit as well, Once you guys try that shit out you'll never go back.
We'll be very happy I built the bar plate core instead of a plastic tank or tube fin rad the first time it lifts the heads at 190 mph puts 60 psi into the coolant jacket aand...... nothing happens because the core and endtanks have alreay been tested to 90 psi. Only thing left to do is replace the radiator hose with -20 nascar stuff to match what the rad can handle.
Well a spec stage 5 with a few thousand miles on it (looked fine when I put it back in) gives up at 750 ft/lbs rw torque (hah 5 psi!). So i cant get any real relavant data. runs abort at 4K.
rather then dick around constantly with a metallic twin s disc and broken input shelfs, we picked up a dedenbear superglide rated for 2500+. It was one of the unused spares from the TT ford probe that was at NOPI (the sick clown on the hood).
I figure with it rollin round at 1000-1200 rwhp the trans should last for ever.
it only needs about 2500 stall so with a swap to 2.73:1 rear end gears It should be a nice cruiser down the highway as well as be capable of 8's.
Trans will be here wed. Converter- Will call in ATI in the morning. Possibly need a new driveshaft pending on length. Other than that it should be no thing for me to get it back together for more fun this weekend.

Internals-
6.0 Iron Block 4" bore
Pro gram billet mains.
toolsteel studs thruout
4"Callies billet crankshaft
Manley Rods
Custom BTF pistons by wiseco -all the tricks done swaintech gold crown/Pc-9 heavy skirt
H-11 toolsteel taperwall wristpins
Coated main/rod/cam bearings
ported ls-6 oil pump
TEA heads that flow BIG:yawinkle:
Coated chambers, valves, exhaust ports
O-ringed
Copper head gaskets that are physically bonded to the block
Fast 90/90 thats getting tossed soon for a GMPP single plane.

[Brent_Strong]

Very nice. I remember W2W pulling the same trick on Casper with the radiator built from an intercooler because they expected it to have to hold boost. Worked well enough to net them 6's, so I'm sure it'll work great for you.

[Baldturbofreak]

sixes are a way off. But you guys will see some solid 8's are rediculous MPH this summer at Leicster. Possibly 7's by the end of summer. The weak point will be the 12 bolt rear. at some point it will have to be exchanged for a 9", but for now having a 3.08 gearset and "rollin out the funk" in high gear (1:1) will reduce torque input to a more acceptable <2k ftlbs. As opposed to full boost (over 1600ft/lbs) being multiplied by 1.8:1 in additon to launch load spellin doom for the spidergears.

[scotts94_z28]

sixes are a way off. But you guys will see some solid 8's are rediculous MPH this summer at Leicster. Possibly 7's by the end of summer. The weak point will be the 12 bolt rear. at some point it will have to be exchanged for a 9", but for now having a 3.08 gearset and "rollin out the funk" in high gear (1:1) will reduce torque input to a more acceptable <2k ftlbs. As opposed to full boost (over 1600ft/lbs) being multiplied by 1.8:1 in additon to launch load spellin doom for the spidergears.

What about an S60? supposed to be even stronger then the 9"

[Baldturbofreak]

INdeed I even have a few truck Dana 60's that ould be narrowed into car rearends. They have a 10.5" ringgear and are plenty strong. Since the exhaust is dual side exit It's really open season as far as rearend selection is concerned. But The good ol 9" offers the ability to change gearsets for different uses easily.

[juicedz4]

I will def look you up when I get the cavy going. Its nice to see that someone is not only willing to tune MS, but loves to use them himself. Id love to just get it tuned at least to start, rather than spend oodles of time Fing with it myself.

:tup:

Dan

[Baldturbofreak]

THey are my Fav, esp now with all the new goodies.
Wanna go sequential injection? I have a bunch of those boards pre-built.
How about Peak/hold for low Z? got those too.

I noticed on your build you are using the ford VR sensor. Make sure you get the polarity right on it, or it will drive you crazy with resets.

Ready to get your E85 awn? ;)

[juicedz4]

Currently I have the SMD board running what was the latest MSextra code last summer. Im sure its way out of date by now.

I thought this could run 4 low z injectors without any mods..... maybee that was part of my issues when I was trying to get things going last summer. hmm

Sequential might be something I would do eventually. Im not sure how possible putting a cam pos sensor in would be (Im using a 93 head).

Also, I was def planning on running E85 this year :) I think my 85lb/hr injectors should get me pretty far on the little 2.2.

Im hoping to be ready to go by the end of the month. While that may not happen I gota try and have a goal, else it will be sept again and the car will still be sitting.

I will definitely be coming down there when I get this bish together.

Dan

[neloner]

Holy old thread bump, I was confused there for a second :)

[confused280z]

Currently I have the SMD board running what was the latest MSextra code last summer. Im sure its way out of date by now.

I thought this could run 4 low z injectors without any mods..... maybee that was part of my issues when I was trying to get things going last summer. hmm

Sequential might be something I would do eventually. Im not sure how possible putting a cam pos sensor in would be (Im using a 93 head).

Also, I was def planning on running E85 this year :) I think my 85lb/hr injectors should get me pretty far on the little 2.2.

Im hoping to be ready to go by the end of the month. While that may not happen I gota try and have a goal, else it will be sept again and the car will still be sitting.

I will definitely be coming down there when I get this bish together.

Dan

You should be able to run 4 low-Z injectors per channel with current limiting enabled. I wouldn't advise it though, I had a ton of battV noise on my uncles car with 2 low-Z injectors in a tbi setup. It was completely cured by going to dropping resistors.

If you don't enable current limiting, you will kill the drivers in a hurry.

[Baldturbofreak]

Well put bob,
Peak and hold boards have much better control over fueling then native PWM current limiting does anywho.

Dan, I could put a hall effect sensor in the valvecover and we can use a camlobe if nessicary.

[juicedz4]

I definitely had current limiting turned on. However, knowing this, I def want to get the peak and hold board then. I dont wanna half ass this which is why Im redoing alot of things that I did back when ('03-'04 ish).

As for a cam sensor, Id have to put a wheel maybee on the end of the cam and a sensor in the timing cover. This is a 2.2OHV, so I dont see how id access a cam lobe.

I think for now, to keep things simple Ill wait on the sequential.

Dan

[Baldturbofreak]

Oh thats right, she's in the block.
Sequntial is nice when you have really large injectors/ cyl to cyl discrepency's.
It adds trim tables for each hole.

[juicedz4]

Do you have the Peak and hold boards as a kit? If so maybee Ill run down one day next week on lunch and pick one up. :)

I really wish I didnt buy the SMD board for the cavy. I have a non SMD setup for the cabriolet. It will definitely have less mods, maybee I should switch.... hmm

Dan

[97GsTbAbE]

Since this thread is stupid old...

What did the car end up laying down on the dyno? Did it ever go to the track for times?

[Baldturbofreak]

I have them pre-built. I get bored in the winter..
SMD board is nice and robust, but can be a beeyotch when it comes to custom work or replacing components.

http://www.jbperf.com/p&h_board/index.html

I'll hook you up for $70 ready to go in the MS. It's pre-tested and 100%.

[cretinx]

what do you do with 1200 hp ?

[Baldturbofreak]

Haul balls.

The feller who bought it fininshed turning it into a race car.
Full 14 point certified chassis, LSX block for the 6 bolt heads.
BS3 standalone, hes goign to run it at 32psi and max out the pair of GT4202R's.
It's going to lay 1800+ down and go bottom 7's /high 6's.

[QwikG8GT]

I'm so sad that car is no longer in this area :cry:

[owen]

Haul balls.

The feller who bought it fininshed turning it into a race car.
Full 14 point certified chassis, LSX block for the 6 bolt heads.
BS3 standalone, hes goign to run it at 32psi and max out the pair of GT4202R's.
It's going to lay 1800+ down and go bottom 7's /high 6's.holy fuck!

[Baldturbofreak]

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3113396

He hasnt updated it in a little while. I talk to him every few months and see what's up.

[juicedz4]

I have them pre-built. I get bored in the winter..
SMD board is nice and robust, but can be a beeyotch when it comes to custom work or replacing components.

http://www.jbperf.com/p&h_board/index.html

I'll hook you up for $70 ready to go in the MS. It's pre-tested and 100%.

That works. Normally I like to build myself, but at that price......

Ill give you a call next week, then shoot down and pick one up.

Dan

[EmeryatSTM]

I know we all like to talk about "what it will do" What did it do? Results?


-Em

[Eric]

Is that dj's old car?

[Oneluvunknown]

one of them yes

[Baldturbofreak]

I know we all like to talk about "what it will do" What did it do? Results?


-Em

It put down over a thousand before it left my hands. DJ sold it about a month later.
It was sold to a guy in Pennsyltucky, then sold to my buddy in louisiana.
He spent the last year or so finishing it's conversion to a raceonly car.
After a few drives it was obvious to him there was nothing streetable about 1000+whp on a drag radial.
I dont think he has made a full pass yet, but I'll be happy to get an update for him if your really interested.

At this point It's been worked on by a few other guys, Im really only responsible for the turbo system that is on the car today.
Madman racing did the rollcage and new rear/tubbs and BS3 install.

It's a 427 now with 6 bolt heads. The old motor was weeping coolant at the head gasket when you leaned on it hard (very typical of LS based motors) hence the upgrade. Since he was looking to push the system to the limits (built for 2000+ hp) the switch to the LSx block and an upgrade in connecting rods were mandatory.
He was planning on campaigning the car this year last I knew. You;ll see it around.

[QwikG8GT]

I see DJ is selling his black car now, I've been contemplating selling the G8 for something with t-tops and then picking up a cheap winter car. As much as I love the refinement and practicality of the G8, I'm still itching for another F-body. I wish I could pick up the black car and have you do half the work to that you did to the red car :lol: